Yes, I finally opened up a CPF Investment Account (CPFIA) for my OA with DBS and the first Investment I did with my CPF OA is the Oct 1 year T bill
as mentioned in my previous post.
I didn’t go for ETFs like S&P 500 using Endows because I may need
the money in my OA for my housing loan in around 3 years' time when my fixed
interest rate mortgage term is up.
If the bank's mortgage rate is higher than the CPF OA interest at that
point, I will have the choice to repay the loan using my CPF OA and lowering
the monthly payment.
Considering the short term need for my OA money, I went for a low risk instrument
like Government T-bills to boost my OA interest. I am hoping that this Oct issue
will have a yield of 3.2% or more to make all these effort worthwhile.
Setting up my CPFIA was pretty straight forward. I did it all online with
DBS using their Digibot. The whole application process took less than 10 mins. The
approval took a few working days and they sent me a letter to confirm the successful
opening of the account as well as the CPFIA account number.
The more troublesome part is the T-bill application. To do that, it has
to be in person at the bank. I queued up at a DBS branch for around an hour just so that I can fill up the paper application form…. Yes paper form in this day and age…. for the Oct 1 year T-bill.
There are 3 things you need to know/have when you go for the
application. It was my first time and the staff there was kind and patient
enough to guide me along.
First, you need to know the investible amount you have in your OA. To
check that, you can log on to CPF and under investment you will be able to see your
investible amount from your OA and SA.
You have to make sure the amount of T-bill you want to purchase is within your investible amount in professionally managed product. If not, the transaction will fail and you will pay for the transaction fee for nothing.
Next, you will need to know which issue code of the T-bills you want to
purchase. You can easily find that in MAS website for T-bills.
Lastly you will need to have a hard or soft copy of the completion of the CPF
Investment Scheme Self-Awareness Questionnaire (SAQ). You can go to CPF SAQ site to go through the Modules and take the quiz. After you have completed that, there should be an acknowledgment screen as a proof of your completion and you can take a screen shot or download the pdf of that. You can then print it out or email them when you are there.
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You went for 1 yr tbill? Some are saying better to go for 6 mth tbill & then applying 6 months later for either 6 mth, 1yr or longer SGS as the interest rates will have gone up significantly.
ReplyDeleteYeah I went for the 12 months one. I split up my investible OA into a few tranches so that I can take advantage future t bills with higher yield. 6 month is abit too short for my liking. It's quite inconvenient to go in person for the application... Haha
DeleteHi bro
ReplyDeleteI login to my CPF and do a check on the CPF Investment Scheme Self-Awareness questionnaires (SAQ) and the printout is
Xxxxxxxxx of CPF Account number SnnnnnnnZ is a existing participant under the CPF Investment Scheme.
Does that mean I have already do the questionnaire.
Please enlighten. Thanks
I think that means you have a CPFIA already? This probably mean you have done the SAQ before. There should be a link for you to check your the SAQ status. It's ok to do it again if you are not sure.
DeleteHi bro
ReplyDeleteDo you go for the Competitive Bid or non
Competitive Bid when you apply for the t-bill.
BTW how do Competitive Bid work.
Please advise. Thanks
I went for non competitive bid. I only indicated the amount I want to participate but not the yield. I would get the t bills at cut off yield which is the highest accepted yield of the competitive bids.
ReplyDeleteFor competitive bid, you get to specify the amount and the yield above which you are willing to accept the t bills. So if the cut off yield is below your bids, you won't get any allocation. If the cut off yield is above your bid, you will get allocated. Note that non competitive bid have priority in allocation.
You can read more about competitive and non competitive bids from the site below
https://www.mas.gov.sg/bonds-and-bills/investing-in-singapore-government-securities/how-sgs-auctions-are-conducted
Hi bro
ReplyDeleteFor non competive bid using CPF and if the return is less than 2.71 percent we will get lesser than the CPF return for one year t-bill
Example
100000 CPF will pay you 2500 + 208=2708 (208 is for the month of transaction which CPF will not pay any interest as CPF compute interest monthly)
And if result is only 1.5 percent then the return is very much lesser than CPF.
To prevent this is to bid competitive bid
From my understanding if we bid for competitive bid of 2.8 percent and the return is 3.3 percent.
T-bill will still pay 3.33 percent.
This is what I want to confirm.
Please advise if you has any idea of this
Thanks
Yes. Your analysis is correct based on my understanding. You can put a competitive bid to be sure you won't loss out to CPF OA interest. You should get the cut off yield if your bid is lower than that.
DeleteI guess I should do that on hindsight. Hopefully the yield for the oct 12 months t bills doesn't fall to less than 3%
Thanks for sharing.
Did DBS withdraw your funds immediately or after auction date?
ReplyDeleteNot yet. The fund is still in my OA. I believe it will take a couple of days to process and has to be before the Auction date.
DeleteAn updated on the withdrawal of funds from OA. The funds is still not being withdrawn from my OA yet. I gave the bank a call and they told me that this is different from Cash where they will withdraw the cash from your bank and refund you the interest. For CPF, they will only withdraw the cash less interest after allocation. So the withdrawal date will be a few days AFTER auction dates. Apologies for the confusion before.
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